06 May, 2009

Parents of Students

One of the most noticeable things about American undergrads compared with Australians is how all Americans leave home to go to uni whereas (I'd estimate) only around half of Australian students do, yet so many American parents still want to have so much say in their (adult) children's lives.

I've never experienced it myself I've heard other tertiary teachers saying that you occasionally get parents wanting to know their children's grades. When they're told that it's against privacy laws to tell them, they get quite irate and tell the teacher or registrar about how much they're paying in fees etc. I don't understand why they can't just see it as an issue between parents and their kids. Why should the registrar suffer if the kids don't want to fess up to their parents?

But here's another example that I found more surprising. Apparently there is a gender-neutral room-sharing policy in some Stanford dormitories. At first I was on her side, the university admin not being sufficiently frank about what was going on, how much choice students would have etc. The mothers worries seemed reasonable, asking, "How well do you know these boys? Can you trust them even if they've been drinking?"

But then the author mentions that the daughter was actually ok with the situation and didn't want to inconvenience the other people that she'd made the arrangement with. The mother's reaction:
We, like many parents, do not consider a “gender neutral” housing arrangement morally acceptable. We don’t consider such an arrangement consistent with common sense. We would never have consented to pay for our daughter’s enrollment as a freshman if we had been aware that she might be placed in such a rooming arrangement. As we told the president of the university, if Stanford had informed us that it was allowing such housing, we would have required her either to transfer out or to find another source of funding. Perhaps, since she was a senior, we would have made an agreement with her concerning acceptable off-campus housing. But Stanford never gave us the chance...

If parents don’t want “gender neutral” housing for their children, they need to talk with their money, the only voice the university will allow them.

The thing is, the attitude that parents should be informed of their adult children's behaviour is not rare.

But this bit is less common:
I could talk about conspiracy theories, and how the modern university is trying to change society’s norms. I could talk about how the university caters to the “edgy” — whatever that is at the moment. I could talk about how I have new sympathy for my parents’ concerns about rooming arrangements at Yale when I arrived there 30-some years ago. I could talk about mother-guilt, and how I have failed to convey my moral values to my daughter...

Stanford and at least 50 other colleges and universities are promoting through their dormitory arrangements an ideology of gender that we personally reject and oppose. There will probably be plenty of families willing to bet their children’s happiness on the prestige of a Stanford degree. We, however, are not among them. We told our daughter that we would not pay for her final quarter — if she wanted to stay at Stanford, she would have to take out a loan. When she protested that we were changing the terms of her attendance at the university, we told her that as far as we were concerned, it was Stanford that had changed the deal. Our morality is not for sale.

3 Comments:

At 13 May 2009, 6:32:00 pm, Blogger Lara said...

In the USA, doesn't "adult" mean "over 21"?

 
At 14 May 2009, 3:55:00 am, Blogger Nick said...

I did pause when writing that because when I first arrived and had to ask Americans about it.

The short answer is "no". They can vote and be tried as adults so everyone over 18 legally is an adult. The alcohol thing muddies the waters because they do use "minor" in that context for people under 21, yet apparently this is not strictly correct. And we need to remember that the uniform Federal drinking age has only been around since Reagan and is not meant to be consistent with any other laws.

How they can have adults with voting rights who can't be trusted to drink alcohol is something I don't quite grok. But here's what an American would say: Maturity comes in degrees and so not all citizens have the same rights. This is reflected not only in drinking laws but also the fact that you have to be 25 to be a congressman, 30 to be a senator and 35 to be president or vice-president.

 
At 21 June 2009, 6:06:00 am, Anonymous Joel said...

I am not so sure that I agree with you Nick, at least at your assumptions about Australia.

Friends that i knew who stayed at one of the colleges at Sydney University, their parents would've been equally involved in their childs' living arrangements. In renting outside university accomodation, which most of the people we know did, parents would have little to be concerned about and therefore not that intrusive.

Additionally, please correct me if i am wrong, the commodification of tertiary education well established in the US, unlike Australia. I suspect that the intrusiveness of parents has more to do with expectations when buying a product. They pay for a product, they expect that their child will be educated.

In Australia, parents of private school kids do something similar to what you have explained happens for American college kids. Private school parents have different expectations than public school counterparts (and its not a "class" thing).

 

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